Re: [-empyre-] games and apathy

jonCates <joncates@criticalartware.net> · Wed, 11 Jun 2003 12:07:06 -0500

I'd like to echo Tom's concern over the setting up of these kinds of 
modernist hi-low distinctions.
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:08:40 +1000 geniwate <geniwate@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

I reckon the sorts of experiences we seek from games and art are rather
different; i think it is slightly misleading to try to put the two on the
same experiential continuum

Being concerned w/+ emeshed in digital cultures locates us in/on this 
terrain and among various aspects such as game -> art -> video -> 
theorypractices, commerces + histories.

In terms of the expectations of the markets, we should not forget to 
call attention to the constraints of the local, regional, national + 
global art-markets and the ways in which these constraints function 
to determine the qualities of the work produced. Various posts onlist 
+ in this thread have spoken to those constraints + specificities.
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 23:57:55 +1000 Adam Nash <adam@yamanakanash.net> wrote:

We've all had punters angry at us (please tell me I'm not alone in 
having had someone screaming >"THIS...IS...NOT...ART!!!" in my face 
during a show!) and I love it because it means they are 
thinking >about it.

Most contemporary art-markets that I am aware of encourage this kind 
of perception of conceptual impenetrability in order to ensure their 
commodity + social values.
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 15:52:49 +1000 "Melinda Rackham" 
<melinda@unsw.edu.au> wrote:

i am preturbed that gaming has put a massive degree of expectation onto
users of and 3d art.. this is above and apart from the seamless, slick
persectival production values that  john poited out wher e netart can't of
course compete.

In terms of expectations for the UI and responsiveness, a work such 
as ecosystem  (as it was installed @ BitStreams [where I played it]) 
is setup to make these direct connections (via a PS style controller) 
and thereby intentionally exists on the "same experiential continuum" 
(as the PS platform and the games available [as well as the entire 
history of sim building games]). This connection means that the 
experiences will be compared, contrasted, etc + opportunities exist 
for (metalevel) commentaries w/in them. This opportunity when 
utilized, imho, is what can create + sustain excitement, energy, etc.

For the same reasons, my favorite moments in Shenmue are spent in the 
arcade playing Super Hang On.

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